So I've been convinced the whole time that I saw a big cougar plume or whatever you want to call it standing there in the road in Greenfield. Peter Biello: This is NHK PR Good morning and HP are summer car raffle is back and now's the time to get your early bird tickets. Peter Biello: We got an e-mail question from Robert in Epsom who asks are sightings or encounters with these big cats less dangerous here where they're passing through than out west where those same mountain lines might be establishing territory Rick. And I think a lot of folks would like them to be around. In my New Hampshire career I have written several, and seen at least 20, stories along the lines of "local person thinks they saw a mountain lion but there's no actual evidence aside from. So Marty can you see what I'm getting at is the public sees different names and thinks that they're different animals but it's all the same animal. Okay. There were several sightings in CT over the last few months. And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. The second story window through about 30 feet away from it. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Sam Evans-Brown: And when we talk about subspecies this actually leads to to an interesting tangent which is that the field of biology recently has been sort of revolutionized by the use of DNA to determine what subspecies are. I was at the Sentinel as a reporter there for about four years and during that time I probably wrote close to a half dozen stories or so on this topic including a lengthy feature at one point that in which I spoke to several people from around the banana region claimed to have seen mountain lions that at one time or another. I've seen him in the woods and that was not a bobcat but I was looking at. You've got you've got biologists right who are trying to make their make their way in the world make a career if you are the biologists who confirmed a sighting of mountain lions in the state that would be very good for you like you would be all over the news. And those are not the same things. She is renowned for tracking. It's you know I recognized their report and. Today, their range stretches from the Yukon Territory in Canada along the western coast of the United States, all the way to the Southern Andes in Chile. OK. That location they just described we had two or three Bobcats radio collared on just off the runway in Laconia airport. support for an HBO who comes from you our listener Sam from advanced in you a local New Hampshire nonprofit specializing in college student loans and student refinancing options. Sam Evans-Brown: What he would have stopped as well I think is way way that the reason that mountain lion kept moving is because he wasn't finding anybody. They are the same thing. Caller: It had just left that field and was out. Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. Share. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. 1957. Patrick Tate: Yeah yeah. John thanks. We'll be right back. They're very loyal to what the handler which makes them very dangerous to everyone else. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. But you can continue the conversation on Facebook or at our Web site and HP Borg. Sam Evans-Brown: I just want to say the bang and word you just heard I think to me exemplifies why it's really hard to come up with with positive you know 100 percent certain evidence that you've that what you've got is a mountain lions. You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. Here it is. These were normal everyday folks. It's not an emerging endangered species no work no there are there are populations in specific states so the Florida panther is is an endangered species that sub population is in fact listed under the Endangered Species Act. They sent it already. I just stood there just a second and I came to a complete stop and then I ran away. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! So. So before we get to the the the the stories of sightings we're getting a lot of calls. Anytime at any HP broad dot org or subscribe to our podcast search Apple podcasts Google Play or stitcher for an HP bar exchange. But my experience was that the majority of these accounts could not be taken lightly. It's not a skinny rope like tail like a housecat. Any sense of of whether or not mountain lions are sort of wary of more population dense areas like like the one he was describing Rick. We had six copies printed out each. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. About Lions. Phone number 1 800. Sam Evans-Brown: Well first I want to sort of explain why what the theory is but then also throw a bit of cold water on it because I don't think there's much much logic behind it but essentially is that if fish and game were to acknowledge that there was a population of Mount lions in the state there's a chance that something like a listing under the federal Endangered Species Act might happen and then there'd be you know some they'd have to put a plan in place to protect the species there'd be you know restrictions put on development. When you talk about a bobcat Bobcat maybe 80 90 pounds and then a mountain lion could be between 130 and 180 pounds. Can we go to the site. And now that everyone and their mother has a remote camera in their back yard its just so, so unlikely that there are resident, breeding mountain lions in New England that are living invisibly among us, he says, Its become Big Foot.. So so. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HD PR fine Peter Biello and today we're talking with folks who can tell us about the mysterious elusive mountain line and whether or not it is actually here in New Hampshire. Give us a call if you have a question or comments or story about perhaps seeing a mountain lion here in New Hampshire. And boy it was big it had to be at least 200 pounds the thing was you and and it just made a little bit of noise and it was gone. Rick shaking his head so Rick now correct me please. Your support makes this news available to everyone. If you go on YouTube and search mount lion Pat you can see people patent their hundred pound kiddie like its regular mascot cat. 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. Course like Sue said you have to see it and it's not always that visible. Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. I hope she's listening and she had spoke to a lot of different people ended up having a couple of sightings of her alone without sort of by accident. So here in New Hampshire when a person turns in something that the Department believes is possible mountain lion and believes it should be investigated further. What's going on. Peter Biello: Thank you for sharing that. But before I go any further I want to say we do not have sufficient game. Peter Biello: Yeah. And really whenever you hear tiny code and long rope like tale it's kind of hard to pin this sighting on any other creature rather than an outline or just nothing else really matches that description. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. Sam what's the incentive for the government to deny allegedly. Caller: Absolutely. Thank you very much for listening. Sam Evans-Brown: So I just had two thoughts which is that we hear a lot of these stories and all of us here have heard these stories. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. But on the other side of that coin there is this sense that there have been so many sightings locally and you guys Patrick you might recall the name the Wyndham McCracken she kind of turned herself into a local authority off authorities the right word but she was very dedicated to this. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. To date, the Department has not received any verifiable evidence (photographic or DNA)of mountain lions existing in New Hampshire. Patrick Tate: My line being a large predator a cat watch ambush his prey animal that hasn't been. All they think it traveled north through Canada up you know crossed across the Great Lakes and then and then down again through New York State. Rick your thoughts. For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. And sometimes I've seen pictures of those where it's the question is What is that is that a bobcat. BUT THAT SAID, Id love to be proven wrong. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. Sam Evans Brown. And I can recall its information but I can't confirm or verify anything. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. And so. Patrick Tate: I don't believe it is. What's interesting about Bobcats is here in the Northeast we have some very large bobcats. Sue Morse: The big cat really commands the utmost respect not so much fear but fascination. I've had a number of people call up and say I found a scout in the woods and I want it DNA identified. Peter Biello: The number is 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. So Pat you field a lot of calls about people seeing or reportedly seeing mountain lions. Tim Yeah. Well I can't tell you what you saw. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. Peter Biello: And that will make identification for a layperson rather difficult. I was a Bobcat we saw it and I have a picture of it. DNA from scat or from fur, a clear track that is confirmed by an expert, or a photo that clearly shows a mountain lion. The great thing about pictures isn't the animal itself it's the background. Peter Biello: There have been several alleged sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. We'll hear from her periodically through the show. However the scarring on the trees did not and the angles were off. Peter Biello: Hmm. I wasn't employed as biologists at the time of a situation that's been reported but so I started digging into this report and spoke with another wildlife biologist with the agency and said Do you know anything about this. for some excitement. Tonight, Sean McDonald investigates,. Peter Biello: Let's talk to Ron and where Ron thanks very much for calling. Caller: Hi. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. Sam Evans-Brown: Certainly that is a thing I've heard but again you have to think of the incentives involved here. Yet this young male traveled about 1,800 miles. I mean they're a survivor. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. I would say that there's going to be the truth in here somewhere. Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. Patrick Tate: I've had hunters hang deer carcasses forbidding wildlife entries. Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. They used to roam the entire continent, but have become extinct in most US states. We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. And those and that's how you can go from a story that Pat says I have nothing to say about that to a story that you know could be the first verified sighting in over 100 years. So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. The American Lion The Saber tooth Tiger and this was the one that survived. Rick van de Poll: 80 90. Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. Peter Biello: Nice to be here. PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. Okay. John. Thanks for a great thanks. There wasn't a distinct subspecies the North American mountain lion is all is all one species and then you can find a genetically distinct South American subspecies. Caller: Yeah. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced.

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