I say empty.. no planet but Asteroid Osiris is 26 Aries. i imagine these aspects can point to a past life where there was dominance in the work field isuees? (Our North Node rulers often lead us down these blind alleyways.) Well it is a living hell right now! Maybe someone else on the page will have an answer for you. 3) Angles in the houses & aspects. But it was very devastating experience getting physical, it really failed the first time and we didnt try it again. This is a complicated question and needs a subtle analysis in the chart, but on the whole, planets in the first house side of the angle center around the development of a healthy sense of Self, of ego, whereas planets on the 12th house side of the angle will be dealing with karma surrounding ego choices, and the planets will take on a more archetypal energy and effect. What you said about compo Sun/Neptune is very interesting Please I would like to know Dawn,according to you it is important to notice what this compo Sun/Neptune conjuncts in each individual charts, to determine more precisely how each person is going to feed this confusing Sun /Neptune by his/her personal points .? Couples where the 12th is strong can often experiencewell, lets say itNeptunian weirdness. Our composite sun is in the 7 house. My natal venus is in the 12 th house. What of mother-daughter pairs? November 9, 2012 astrologyanonymous27. Outer planets have to do with things that are beyond our control. Im afraid I cant get into it in this space (in the synastry course, we spend several lessons comparing the midpoint and Davison charts). Judy, Im sorry about your relationship with your daughter. My husband and I have composite sun conjunct Saturn in the 12th, composite moon conjunct Venus in the 1st. They represent different aspects of a relationship. I do use the Black Moon Lilith in my composites, but what she represents there is a whole article of its own. We have had such a difficult relationship. Astrology Symbols, Elements, Modalities, & House Types. venus all in the 12th house. If I murdered this illusion, it would be like if I murdered my own soul ; I just cant . The lower expression has to be elevated, and the higher expression needs to be realized. I dont know why but i love him so much and sometimes I come up with things like dreaming of him to call me after a while he calls me. In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. I have a heavily involved 12th house with someone, in synastry, sun and sun/moon in each other natal and composite.shows Sun/Mar/Saturn. Or ? We also have composite Juno in Aquarius in the 4th house (opposing Mercury in the 10th and trining the Ascendant), and Venus tightly conjunct Saturn in the 11th (Leo). In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. Youre writing is inspired. I think the fact that were both artists gave this aspect an outlet. I thought I had become delusional, making things up in my head. When transit Mars is in the composite 12th house, you may become aware of subconscious drivers and motivators in your relationship, and this can help you gain a better understanding of one another. The Pluto struggle with the ego and power will engage with the partners planetsin a positive way, the partner can become a guide. Chiron in 12th House Meaning, Chiron in Twelfth House Meaning. Sometimes walking around with him is just like being in a movie, which is funny because we ARE in a movie together- one he is making with his best friend. Now I just have to sit and wait around where it is got to leave us! Juno is also important. This is brilliant and compassionate. I think that your article is quite amazing, but for those of us who are making these relationships work for us I wish you would have given some cases in which it can work. You may now be more confused about the 12th house than you were at the beginning of this piece, but such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible. Is this similar for composite ruler in 12th? . It is ruled by Pluto and Mars, rulers of Scorpio. It has felt fated, mesmerizing, seductive, magnetic and karmic. The attraction was instant. Thanks for this very interesting article about that controversial 12th house and I totally agree with your final paragraph. Click on "Chart Type" >>. I dont know whether this situation is karma? Forget about where his planets fall in your houses and instead, put your natal chart around the chart of the composite, then do the same with his. Sorry Shannon, Dawn passed away a couple of years ago. What gives a better idea of the relationship potential, synastry or composite? Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. I still feel a strong connection to him, but in a way, I guess I have come to reasonable terms with not being with him. Please can someone find me some positive end result here because I have not too much hope after reading that article aboyt the 12 house and I am going insane because I can not really tell anyone what is going on in my life> (husband, kids or even him)I do not want to hurt anybodys life but that means I have to give up my love which is just to hurtful to do! This makes so much sense. His 12th is in Pisces, along with his Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars. how this would manifest? Im also interested in anything about twin flame relationships. We grasp for the handrail, and find nothing to hold on to. When Pluto is conjunct the North Node, our mistakes can be more dramatic and our adjustments have to be greater. His Neptune conjuncts my SN orb 003 Thank you for your answer. I could love this man more than my husband who is a caring man and in a way very similar to this man. Our date was perfect but too creepy cause he told his very deep secrets and early regrets to me. Im also sorry to say that trines arent all theyre cracked up to besometimes they just pour energy into whatever else theyre aspecting, in this case, the major square. When your North Node is in the 12th house of your partner's natal chart, you will help the 12th house native become more spiritual and grow as a person. 12th House Meaning. Since Lilith is being hidden in the 12th . However, the greatest truths will be revealed through periods of meditation and silence. I loved you from the first moment and that has never changed.) In the 10 years, he (who had been separated from his wife when we first met) went back to his wife, I got engaged to someone else but broke it off realizing I do not love my fiance, reconnected as just friends, and I eventually married someone else, with his blessings. hi dawn Entering through my dreams, plenty of astral seduction going on out there in the ethers. The person with the most crowded 12th house in history is Ann Margret, a Swedish born actor best known for her iconic Easy Rider bike scene and starring in Viva Los Vegas alongside Elvis Presley. a strong karmic tie is indicated in the 12th house, or in the other water houses 4,8. Thank you for such an eloquent understanding, this has helped me. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! Its bad enough that we have difficulties with the 12th house when it involves the natal chart, but it often is downright cruel when were trying to negotiate its slippery slopes in a composite. Composite The relationship is deep and beautiful and in periods hard for us to be with each other. There are 12 houses of Nessus divided according to the sun signs, such as the rst house belongs to Aries, the second house to Taurus, and so on. Please enlighten me.. Usually, when the 12th house is heavily involved, whether it be a natal chart, a comparison, or a composite, the message is to let go. In my experience, the Davison chart reveals more of the day to day reality, and the midpoint chart reveals the inner working dynamic. the davison chart also has our moon, venus, saturn and uranus in the 1st. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. This placement suppresses your deep subconscious a lot. There are no connections with saturn to make it harsh. So sad! Bright blessings to you. (Or so we believe, those of us who deal in astrology.) Im not quick to say its an illusion, but its not quite real either, and you can get into some dangerous territory in the 12th by telling yourself things that arent really true. You're hypersensitive to energy and emotions in your environment, including the collective, if Chiron is in the 12th House. The weirdness of the 12th usually happens when one or both of the other parties has a heavy 12th influence in the natal. But i ran of him, i really dont understand why, it makes me feel so sad. Thank you, Dawn. However, Sag and Cap are very, very different from one another and the things that make you feel secure, comforted and appreciated will be very different, unless other things in the chart back them up. I cannot really make that happen now I dont know why but Im still thinking that he is my faith or not, everything is very confused. Thank you in advance. In our synastry my North Node/South Node axis is conjunct his MC/IC axis and his Moon conjuncts my IC. A share a composite chart with a stellium of planets (Sun, Mercury, Uranus, and Neptune) in the 12th house with cusp on Scorpio. I am a Sag with moon (12th house) and rising both in scorpio. In Hebrew tradition, Lilith was Adam's first wife. Hi WhitelotusI use both the Midpoint and the Davison charts in synastry. Lilith in 12th House Composite, Composite Lilith in 12th House You may find it challenging to express devotion and love for one another if Composite Lilith is in the 12th house. 12th House : A busy 12th house is very difficult in a composite chart, since it's the house of the unconscious feelings and all things hidden, so there will be a lot of miscommunication between the two. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? They have an inner urge to help others but don't know how to help themselves or ask for support. Is Your experience the same? The 12th house is always complex and is different in how it manifests depending on the contacts involved. I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. The interesting thing is that we have a very unconventional relationship, mainly as friends and close allies in a spiritual cause (with the mission of saving the world, essentially), but with a new dimension of intense emotional and physical intimacy. My concern is a grand trine in the composite chart, Mercury/Jupiter/Venus all conjunct in the 1st (pisces) trine Moon/North node conjunct in the 5th (cancer) and Neptune the chart ruler in the 9th (Scopio). Im from a country in southamerica. As a 12th house person, I finally realized I enjoy the confusion. venus+mars, etc. All that subconscious provoking of each other is very much a full time job and its preventing me from being successful in life and meeting a man that can offer the support i need to really fly. I have learned to surrender much but our relationship isnt surviving, we cant let go altogether and cant seem to be together. He told me that had never happened to him before (referring to how we couldnt control ourselves). There are lots of couples with heavy 12th house influence who are out in the open. Lovely article. I met this men who i recall seeing 20 years ago once and a couple of other times within that 20 years. Im not exactly sure what our future holds, but I do know we are exactly where we are supposed to be XOXO ~ Thank you for the lovely insights!!! Then we hurt each other. One day , you said that people telegraph their natal theme at every instant of their lives. Lilith in the Twelfth House of Astrology (Explained) June 3, 2022 by Wisdom Tavern. my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. sounds pathetic, but thats just the nature of 12th house love; you cant downsize or decrease its feeling and meaning.. What a way to describe it ~ nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives or my life as far as i know, this was exactly how I confused myself in this short and intense relationship with an ex. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. 1. It will revolve around sorrow, secrets, fantasies, hidden desires, emotions, and everything that belongs to our little secrets without physical forms. so we find the True in each other. scares me a bit. His sun scorpio falls into my fourth house in my natal chart and mine ,cancer, falls into his 8th. Hi Dawn, are you able to give me anymore insight or know where I might find more information about 12th house stellium in cancer planets are sun,moon,Mercury and Venus in my husband and my composite chart. Oh wow, Im glad to be reading this after the fact. I have read at least books regarding the 12th house, and its not easy to comprehend the needs of the 12th. Telepathy, visiting one another out of body, lucid dreaming where they communicate with one another, strange psychic links and melding of the two energetic bodies. Neptune is in the 4th, Libra. We have a composite 12th house sun mars and venus in Cancer! We get along very well but our relationship is being kept in secret (which sucks) and the Saturn and Pluto opposite Asc. Lilith in Synastry. I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. Sorry, Natalia, I cant really comment on this in the space available. Required fields are marked *, Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. His north node in his 12th in pisces which means he will have to travel from a more material existence to a spiritual one in his lifetime, but that could take another 20 years. I cant make a decision of whether to stay or leave without more clarity it feels like we arent done learning what we need to learn together, but staying together in this state where she doesnt desire me is agony. For whatever reason, you may have a secret relationship . How ironic! Here we are, older, everything so different now, lessons learned, and I am seeing that I cant undo the past. We still keep in touch as just friends occasionally, and sometimes I feel like I am having conversations with him in my head. This secrecy he is practising probably points to the venus-mars in composite twelfth ? (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) Now, you can either say its karma, or you can say that person A is psychologically hooking onto the archetype formed with person Bs chart, but whatever it is, it can be a very powerful pull. He knows me better than I know myself at times. I know this man will be in my life as long as I can imagine. We are just in the beginning so should I try this relationship or just let it go? We dont really grasp whats in the 12th until we spiritualize it, remove the ego from the planets function. I really love this article its very beautifully written and bittersweet, but anyone with a natal 12th house venus and venus in pisces has walked these roads. sorry Ive made an error : it is not his descendant point, it is his IC point. North Node conjuncts Desc. Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! So my final question is which method should I look onto (composite or synastry) as they both seem to go into totally different directionsand is it possible to reveal our secret relationship even with composite 12th house? I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! What to make of this? Another concern is his Saturn and North node in my MC/IC and my Mercury/Mar (ruler of my 7th) in his Asc. The empty space you decribe has me under pressure most days. Greetings. Illusions yes I know. Black Moon Lilith in 5th or 11th house in composite chart: This . Have you any thoughts or words to share on the 12th house commonalities we have individually, and what impact it lends to us as a couple? What the twelfth house demands of us always is that we give the ego a rest, but often challenges regarding the ego are exactly what we have to face with twelfth house planets. or sth. I feel so helpless! They usually experience issues with drugs or alcohol. and then mars, Jupiter and neptune in the 2nd. Planets in the 12th can behave in one of several ways. Emotional Suppression. However, Eros in the 12th may mean a less conscious eroticism drives the relationshipwe think we know what were doing but we may not, and may be subject to desires of all kinds. And what does it mean our 12th. When we split up I cried every day for a month. Well, I m afraid I am precisely one of those people you talk about in the article , who experiment this weird illusion of being in telepathy with the unrequired love of their life. Everything you said is so on point. There is, without a doubt, an element of longing in the 12th. Is there something to be read from this cluster of planets in 12th house? Sometimes we will be asked to make leaps of faith. They might not be opposed to using under-handed tactics in order to receive information or get what they desire. Anything different there? No one could share that kind of information with a person that he/she newly know. Now we hate each other and nothing made sense. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? Whitelotus. Instant connection, followed by a break up 5 days after, followed by getting back together 1 week later, on and off, on and off formally breaking up in 9 months, and yet professing how we never stopped loving each other two years after that (If you want to find someone else, if you want to marry someone else, I will not stop you, but know this. It isnt bad, its difficult. I have composite sun and moon in house 12 with my brother. (I have my moon in Scorpio in the 12th house along with Saturn and Pluto). What is your thought on this. And youre so right, because there is something about the compo 12 th house ! .why is neptune conjunct sun so bad in composite? The relationship is a very private one, we share many trips together, and special 12th house retreat time together. !! Besides synastry, the twelfth house in a composite chart can also be telling when it comes to karmic relationships. I feel that our connection is a long term one over many lifetimes. And this is where we must reach out beyond our small lives to touch the greater life that is possible. Found the site while trying to decipher a stellium in a composite 12th house. I just am hesitating. Wow very insightful thank you so much, I love your writing!! This is the empty space, the place where we are not like others, the place where the pieces dont fit. The south node lies there on the natal composite. We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. Transit Jupiter in the Composite 12th House. I do all these within a synastry consulation. 13 . Ninety-three percent of her astro is in the 12th: the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Lilith, Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus. And we both natally have same aspects, my mars is in my 12th and his moon is in his 12th also. Love for loves sake wont fly with the 12th house. The Moon squares Mercury and Venus in the 9th, Pluto and Saturn in the 3rd, and squares the MC. I felt like someone kicked me out of my home.

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