Mahidevran Sultan once hit hurrem untill her face turned to a bloody puddle, something that didn't please the sultan. Hurrem also unlike Mahidevran These princesses, were destined to be gifted (in other words sold) by their ruling fathers to their higher or equivalent ranking rulers, kings and grand Vazirs (ministers). She is part of the love triangle with Lloyd and Poppy. The death of television icon Betty White received a lot of attention in popular culture. Mahidevran - The overshadowed Chief Consort - History of Royal She probably acted as the sultan's advisor, wrote diplomatic letters to King Sigismund II Augustus of Poland (r.15481572) and patronized major public works (including the Haseki Sultan Complex and the Hurrem Sultan Bathhouse). Not to mention that "was a chief consort" doesn't make much sense, because a implies that there is more than one which is a contradiction to the meaning of chief. Other sources indicate that Mahidevran is of Abkhaz origin.Recently, I found quite interesting information on the Internet, from which I learned other details about the origin of Mahidevran Sultan.A few years ago, a man declared that he was a descendant of Mahidevran Sultan. Like mentioned before, popular culture adopts from what has happened in the past. Mahidevran was: theoretically, the daughter of a hatun, a birinci kadin, but never a sultana: she didn't legally marry Suleyman. 63), an opera by Denys Sichynsky, a ballet, plays, and several novels written mainly in Russian and Ukrainian, but also in English, French, German and Polish. He appointed to govern Konya instead of Mustafa. The motion that all these history books are dramatized or contain anachronism can't be true. It's not her possible title and you think this is a joke. And you Sir, just decided to crash in and make an edit. While she was serving as the mother to heir apparent she was considered a Sultan's family member (Ottoman court etiquette), hence the title. Little Prince Mehmet (named after Mustafas half-brother) wasexecuted at just six years old. [44] This tragedy marks the first time the Ottomans were introduced on stage in France. [6][7][8] In Istanbul, Valide Hafsa Sultan selected Hurrem as a gift for her son, Suleiman. In this case, Suleiman not only broke the old custom, but began a new tradition for the future Ottoman sultans: To marry in a formal ceremony and to give their consorts significant influence on the court, especially in matters of succession. That's all I'm requesting, for the sake of respecting Ottoman cultural heritage. She had a Kira who acted as her secretary and intermediary on several occasions, although the identity of the kira is uncertain (it may have been Strongilah[39] or Esther Handali[citation needed]). Instead, he attended it. On the contrary, I sympathize with Mahidevran Hatun. Life in a Sultans harem was not glamorous and it certainly wasnt about love. Mahidevran ga Hurrem's influence in state affairs not only made her one of the most influential women, but also a controversial figure in Ottoman history, especially in her rivalry with Mahidevran and her son ehzade Mustafa, and the grand viziers Pargal Ibrahim Pasha and Kara Ahmed Pasha. +64 3 687 9228. Whether this phrase refers to a warm friendship between the Polish King and Ottoman Haseki, or whether it suggests a closer relation, the degree of their intimacy definitely points to a special link between the two states at the time. [5] Michalo Lituanus wrote in the 16th century that "the most beloved wife of the present Turkish emperor mother of his first [son] who will govern after him, was kidnapped from our land". [49] Artists Titian, Melchior Lorich, and Sebald Beham were all influential in creating a visual representation of Roxelana. The title of this page has to be changed and needs to be protected from any form of cultural erasure. I think she was chief consort but later lost her position though she remained first wife. Unless we have another source which gives us the sketch of positions of Sultan's consorts in Harem, the WEB SITE can be cited, because there is no mentioning of consort's positions and their status in their master's harem in Leslie's book. Mahidevran Turbesi5.jpg 320 240; 21 KB. Hurrem died on 15 April 1558 due to an unknown illness and was buried in a domed mausoleum (trbe) decorated in exquisite Iznik tiles depicting the garden of paradise, perhaps in homage to her smiling and joyful nature. -Le temps viendra (talk) 22:32, 10 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], Clear this matter Le temps Viendra Khondoker Jobair (talk) 05:03, 12 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], Mentioned her survival possible after Hurrem a death is not sound real. Mahidevran and Suleiman had five children -- three sons and two daughters. In 1520 after the death of Selim I, Suleiman moved to Istanbul to succeed his father, his court followed him afew weeks later. And there is lots of lots of doubts about the title of this woman. The Tatars may have first taken her to the Crimean city of Kaffa, a major centre of the Ottoman slave trade, before she was taken to Istanbul. 8:02Am Jun 6, 2017 morning to take a look at it dazzling performances that the Inbetweener on the film, the voice behind the character Wallace who h Simply put, a natural death is one that occurs due to an internal factor that causes the body to shut down, such as cancer, heart disease or diabetes. She imprinted her seal and watched the council meetings through a wire mesh window. Thanks to her intelligence, she acted as Suleiman's chief adviser on matters of state, and seems to have had an influence upon foreign policy and international politics. The proportion of cardiovascular deaths decreased from 69% in 19791984 to Hope you got my point. WebHe often forgets his lines or forgets to show up altogether, so the others have to look for him. Alex2006 (talk) 15:04, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], @Keivan.f I haven't searched about mahidvran but happen to have read about her. She built numerous mosques, madrasahs, hammams, and resting places for pilgrims travelling to the Islamic holy city of Makkah. Not only is the phrasing leaving much to be desired, the conclusion is also a subjective speculation presented as a fact. Mahidevran wasn't a legal wife nor became the mother of a reigning sultan; you should read your own sources too, since it specifies the differences between a concubine and a legal wife.190.218.117.86 (talk) 20:28, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Sorry I am not making excuses I just refuse to believe that a "Brinci Kadin" wasn't called Sultana when she was serving as a mother of heir apparent and living in the Harem the same time title "Sultan" was started being used for Sultan's consorts. In Albenian Glbahar means Rosne Pravnere. [41] Hurrem was also intelligent and had a pleasant personality. [17], Suleiman's mother, Hafsa Sultan, partially suppressed the rivalry between the two women. But with the same decree, Mustafa was appointed to govern Konya (middle Anatolia). 190.218.117.86 (talk) 05:37, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], A few sources does claim she was a wife. In 1553, Mustafa was very famous in Anatolia. Sultans had previously married only foreign free noble ladies. In this article the sentence about Mahidevran's origin had been changed several times. Note that I'm not saying that Mahidevran was not chief consort before the title Haseki came into use, but it's clear that she didn't continue to hold the title. There have been novels written in other languages: in French, a fictionalized biography by Willy Sperco (1972); in German, a novel by Johannes Tralow (1944, reprinted many times); a very detailed novel in Serbo-Croatian by Radovan Samardzic (1987); one in Turkish by Ulku Cahit (2001). However, some argue that she has Albanian roots. Glbahar (given name) 1500s births. In 1546, one more half-brother was on the governors market; Prince Beyazt. Images of the chief consort emphasized her beauty and wealth, and she is almost always depicted with elaborate headwear. If Sultana cannot be used for a "Birinci Kadin" then Hatun should also not be used. Teodora Maria Ungureanu Teodora Maria Ungureanu (talk) 23:19, 23 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Teodora Maria Ungureanu Teodora Maria Ungureanu (talk) 23:20, 23 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Why is she called Mahidevran Sultan in this article? These incidents launched a series of events which culminated in his execution in 1536 by Suleiman's order. There is a possibility of both titles therefore no title should be put in. "LUCKYEYE GROUP MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES WITH RESPECT TO THIS WEB SITE OR ITS CONTENTS, WHICH ARE PROVIDED FOR USE "AS IS." I shall wait for your response until few days then revert your changes, if you are unable to prove that this "Abdullah" was indeed a slave and not a free person, in which case, M would have been a "gifted wife" (married to S not legally but rather tough Nikah 'urfi). Learn how your comment data is processed. Also note the rank Kadin or Birinci Kadin ended with Mahidevran, this rank changed to Haseki Sultan (logically this is what happened). 18th century portrait of Hurrem Sultan kept at Topkap Palace. If you want you may mention an unnecessary word "slave" to the totally irrelevant section of "Origin and early life" but trust me you'll spent your whole life (and next one as well if you're a monk) reverting the changes made by those who have problem with this piece of word. Mahidevran, concubine of Suleiman the Magnificent Birth Place: Bosporus, Turkey Birthday: 1500 Death Date: February 3, 1581(age 81) Khondoker Jobair (talk) 06:37, 16 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], Keivan, do you really have access to the proposed source? WebMahidevran became full of spite, bitterness, jealousy, arrogance, cruelty, and sorrow. Thank you 113.203.177.1 (talk) 18:32, 28 March 2016 (UTC) Give me one name of the mother of potential heir to the throne (like mustafa) who wasn't called Sultana after 1500. She did not spend her last years in poverty, as her stepson, She's only ever referred to as Mahidevran Khatun or Hatun in sources, see The Imperial Harem, pages 55, 61 and 367. Magnificent century (Muhtesem Yuzy by I heart Duncan James. If you are not convinced we can try to get this on reliable sources noticeboard. Around 1530, Mustafa was appointed to govern Manisa, as a part of his education and old Turkish tradition. I oppose changing the title from Sultan to Hatun. He was a talented soldier from his childhood. Birinci Kadin was used for wives only, Brinici Kadin was not used for concubines or ordinary consorts, Birinci Kadin meant First Wife/Senior Consort. In official account, not all consorts who was referred as SULTANA was legally married to Sultan nor was the Valide Sultan. She's a hatun, not a legal wife, still had similar privilege as a haseki, her son didn't become sultan: all the facts point to her not being officially a sultana. [11], Aside from her political concerns, Hurrem engaged in several major works of public buildings, from Makkah to Jerusalem (Al-Quds), perhaps modelling her charitable foundations in part after the caliph Harun al-Rashid's consort Zubaida. Khondoker Jobair (talk) 06:13, 16 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]. Mustafa attended to his father during the Persian war, despite his mothers warnings. Sorry cant find sources now that was about 12 years ago. Learn more about merges. The precise year that she entered the harem is unknown, but scholars believe that she became Suleiman's concubine around the time he became sultan in 1520. The cast and crew are taking to the boards asPiraticus Rexopens at The Playhouse this week. :) There is no harm in mentioning "cheif consort", specially since Sulieman have had 3 other consorts. The information given in this page reveals that despite being called addressed as a sultana she wasn't one, and before that edit came to be the page addressed her as hatun (and many others too [1] ), which is also a title she's been given in other sources. Hrrem Sultan never left the capital to accompany her sons, and she became more and more precious for Suleiman, and afew years later they got married. Hatun is used for every other lady in Turkish and Persian language. She is still known and remembered today as the most politically influential Ottoman princess, and the only one to have served as Valide Sultan during her brother's reign. It is clear by your statement that you're being subjective about this: you're looking for an excuse rather than solid facts to call Mahidevran a sultana. ?--Phso2 (talk) 21:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]. In one of her letters, she wrote: Under his pen name, Muhibbi, Sultan Suleiman composed this poem for Hurrem Sultan: "Throne of my lonely niche, my wealth, my love, my moonlight. The poem in the show was written by Mustafa's companion, Yayha Bey. In real life, Yayha Bey also did write a poem too. So it was not Suleiman himse In 2019, mention of the Russian origin of Hurrem Sultan was removed from the visitor panel near her tomb at the Sleymaniye Mosque in Istanbul at the request of the Ukrainian Embassy in Turkey.[48]. Where are the administrators of this page anyway? We will review the memorials and decide if they should be merged. Trk Tarih Kurumu Basmevi. [5] She was born in the town of Rohatyn 68km (42mi) southeast of Lww (Lviv), a major city of the Ruthenian Voivodeship of the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland,[6] in what is now Ukraine. Thank you.113.203.163.165 (talk) 11:54, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I think both theories are correct, general logic can be used in Wikipedia IF the sources available contradicts each other, but even if she was called Sultan there is no need to mention it in the Title. Best. During the start of 15th century, the Ottoman dynasty was taking over the territories of its rivals more rapidly than before. WebAccording to some reports he died of natural causes, while others say that Mahidevran, the mother of Sehzade Mustafa gave the order to kill Sehzade Mehmet because he could take Thank you. With Suleiman, she had five sons and one daughter. [25], After the death of Suleiman's mother, Hafsa Sultan, in 1534, Hurrem became the most trusted news source of Suleiman. I asked a simple question and you failed to answer because you cant. [45] She has inspired paintings, musical works (including Joseph Haydn's Symphony No. This tradition was called Sancak Beylii. If you must, then make the title read as "Mahidevran" only. Above all, her being mother of heir apparent is not a popular culture but a fact. Everyone has a right to put their opinion and I just put mine. In the end, Mustafa was appointed to governAmasya (close to Persian border) while Mehmet moved to Manisa. WebAuthor has 325 answers and 6.9M answer views Oct 9. - Worldandhistory (talk) 16:33, 28 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], @Phso2: Two of your sources are at stake (Colin Iber's and Peirce's), please read page 136 of Colin's book, this gives definition of Slave in general term, so calling any member of Sultan's family a slave does not necessarily makes them a slave by origin, and P simply used a text from Alberi, P herself only called M a concubine. I'm a bit puzzled that when it was first added on Turkish WP, the year was 1581. [16]:130 Suleiman and Hurrem's last child, ehzade Cihangir was born with a hunchback, but by that time Hurrem had borne enough healthy sons to secure the future of the Ottoman dynasty. In a letter to Philip II of Spain, the painter claims to have sent him a copy of this "Queen of Persia" in 1552. I badly need a reliable source to back either claim. Chteau de Blois A favourite royal residence, The Daughters of William the Silent Emilia Antwerpiana of Nassau. [18] According to Bernardo Navagero's report, as a result of the bitter rivalry a fight between the two women broke out, with Mahidevran beating Hurrem, which angered Suleiman. [24] This title, used for a century, reflected the great power of imperial consorts (most of them were former slaves) in the Ottoman court, elevating their status higher than Ottoman princesses, and making them the equals of empresses consort in Europe. [11] After the wedding, the idea circulated that the sultan had limited his autonomy and was dominated and controlled by his wife. You are not helping in maintaining the neutrality, rather imposing your opinions extracted from your sources. sultanas. The source is "BBC your paintings". Please, change the title to simply "Mahidevran"; all the other speculation can remain in the biography part. At that time Mustafa was the third son of Suleiman, without significant importance. [40] Her mausoleum is adjacent to Suleiman's, a separate and more somber domed structure, at the courtyard of the Sleymaniye Mosque. Scholars have wondered if Hurrem's alliance with Mihrimah Sultan and Rstem Pasha helped secure the throne for one of Hurrem's sons. You can cite thousands of pop culture books with erronous facts, rumours and misconceptions. When Suleiman freed and married her, she became the Haseki Sultan (adding the word sultan to a woman's name or title indicated that she was a part of the dynasty). Best:) - Worldandhistory (talk) 15:18, 30 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Mahidevran Sultan in Trke Bilgi = tr:Meahidevran Sultan in Turkish Wikipedia. WebDeath 3 Feb 1581 (aged 8081) Bursa, Bursa, Turkey. ((reftalk))Reply[reply], There is no consensus to add the interview of an "alleged descendant" of Mahidevran to this article. 113.203.158.58 (talk) 00:23, 8 February 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I request a change of title, to revert it back to its original name (which was only "Mahidevran") and maintain its protected status. Of these, Mahidevran's son Mustafa was the eldest and preceded Hurrem's children in the order of succession. [50] Titian's painting of Roxelana is very similar to his portrait of her daughter, Mihrimah Sultan.[49]. However, I added ""the most convincing theory"" was wrong I admit, therefore, I have changed that. This section is full of "possible" origin theories, so mentioning any ""possible theory"" is no violation of any principal. Empress of the East: How a European Slave Girl Became Queen of the Ottoman Empire. That's very funny!!! In 1541, when Mehmet (Hrrems first son) reached the proper age to be local governor, tensionsbetween two women rose again. Bas kadin literally means "Head Woman", and if this "head woman" status didn't exist at that time then why she has been referred as "Ba kadin" or Birinci kadin by numerous books? Your stubbornness of using only Peirce's provided information while neglecting other possible sources shows your own prejudice, not anyone else's. In the Ottoman imperial family tradition, a sultan's consort was to remain in the harem only until her son came of age (around 16 or 17), after which he would be sent away from the capital to govern a faraway province, and his mother would follow him. The leading cause of death in subjects with preserved EF was noncardiovascular disease (49%) versus coronary heart disease (43%) for subjects with reduced EF. And I have an interesting video for the newer.Today I want to tell you about Mahidevran Sultan, who she really is.Mahidevran Sultan is the mother of Shehzade Mustafa. No need to change the title. Uzunarl, smail Hakk; Karal, Enver Ziya (1975). Here are some sources (regardless of their nature) they contradicts the motion that she wasn't called Sultan. [20] She pleads with the King to trust her envoy Hassan Aa who took another message from her by word of mouth. Also, the rules are clear: no woman other than the sultan's own female blood relatives and main wife use the title of sultan [7]. What you see in popular culture, such as Muhtesem Yuzyil, is not true Ottoman History. One of the alledged theories points to her mother being addressed in that manner. I'll sing your praises always Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E8:8BCE:C01:ED43:4385:BB24:1ABE (talk) 09:23, 10 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply], (moved from user TP) If "Haseki Sultan" was created solely for Hurrem when they legally married, breaking a 200 hundred tradition of not marrying, why should anyone assume that other concubines of the sultan would start using "sultan" if they didn't marry him? I don't think the Turks would have been so quite and this web would have been still available if it wasn't authentic. Subscribe to our weekly newsletter and stay up to date on History of Royal Women's articles! Peirce, Leslie (2017). I do NOT understand. I am sorry but Facts do NOT leave room for doubts. Our ancestors said that the plague goes away once the trees shed their leaves in autumn."[26]. This article is literally the ONLY one in wikipedia to call a hatun a sultana. [6] 113.203.150.188 (talk) 02:19, 1 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Popular culture and Ottoman court etiquette are two different things. The first person of non-royal blood to be addressed as sultan was Suleyman's mother who the title "Valide Sultan" was created for; then "Haseki Sultan" was created for Hurrem when they married. Also please keep the recent source in mind about an interview with her alleged descendant. Either way, this was another significant break from established customs, as Sultan Mehmed the Conqueror had specifically issued a decree to the effect that no women would be allowed to reside in the same building where government affairs were conducted. This did not, however, prevent Hurrem from wielding powerful political influence. Life in a Sultans harem was not glamorous and it certainly wasnt about love. She commissioned a bath, the Hurrem Sultan Bathhouse, to serve the community of worshippers in the nearby Hagia Sophia. I, lover of the tormented heart, Muhibbi of the eyes full of tears, I am happy. New York: Palgrave Macmillan. In the 2003 TV miniseries, Hrrem Sultan, she was played by Turkish actress and singer Glben Ergen. According to the same tradition, Mahidevran had to leave Istanbul to accompany her son. [4] Among the Ottomans, she was known mainly as Haseki Hurrem Sultan or Hurrem Haseki Sultan. Pathetic joke!! [34], Although the stories about Hurrem's role in executions of Ibrahim, Mustafa, and Kara Ahmed are very popular, actually none of them are based on first-hand sources. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 05:26, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Excuse me one more time. "[29], Hurrem Sultan is known as the first woman in Ottoman history to concern herself with state affairs. In fact, Suleiman was afraid of his eldest sons power. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 22:11, 1 April 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]. 1581 deaths. Including those of John Freely. Nedim Ardoa (talk) 08:32, 8 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply], The page Mahidevran Sultan should be moved to Mahidevran Glbahar Hatun because Mahidevran was never a concubine or a Haseki Sultan and Hrrem Sultan was the first Haseki Sultan.--Retrieverlove 1:09, 22 June 2014, According to Leslie P. Peirce, prior to the creation of the title Haseki Sultan for Hrrem Sultan, all the Ottoman consorts carried an alternative royal title, "Hatun".But Leslie P. Peirce also said that during 16th century(Suleiman's reign) the title Hatun for a valide,princesses and Sultan's consorts were changed by Sultan(it's called Sultana in the harem to distinguish between male and female). 113.203.177.1 (talk) 18:52, 28 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Dear Keivan.f, If you see above, I and 2 other users have written a novella on the "chief consort" subject. Also, a Sultana was a woman in Sultan's family, being a mother of heir apparent living in the Harem at the same time the title Haseki was used for Hurrem, it can be asserted that she was also called Sultana, due to the fact that in her time (when Hurrem came along) Sultana title was already started being used for royal consorts regardless if they were haseki or not, see example of Mahfiruz Hatice Sultan, who was niether haseki nor Valide. This woman could be Mahidevran or could also be Gulfem or the first unknown wife of Suleiman. Hurrem Haseki Sultan, or Roxelana, is well-known both in modern Turkey and in the West, and is the subject of many artistic works. Since founded in 2002, no complaint about the unreliability of it's sources has been made by Turkey Govt. We can ask her! A short woman wearing expensive clothes and jewelry appears Hurrem: Agha? Where are we? (She looks closer at my face, noticing the .mw-parser-output .brokenref{display:none}Cite error: There are
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